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It is with a heavy heart, That I’m here to announce that I am pulling my mods off of the site & No longer supporting the SPT-Hub. With the blatant mis-conduct of the SPT Staff Team as well as their repeat negative actions that not only hurt the community, But also modders as well.

Many of the rules put in place extensively prohibit mod developers are arbitrary & overall do not provide security or any other proper safety measures. Currently alot of the rules just restrict modders. Here’s a few rules that come to mind.

  • Don’t ask for money for services you provide (i.e. creating / distributing mods, selling in-game roubles) or promote such acts or platforms.

    This rule needs to be re-constructed. Within many modding communities, They allow & promote users to sell commissions & sell mods. Its an amazing way to support a creator while also getting something for it. (Cyberpunk 2077 & Skyrim are some of the best examples.)

  • If your mod contains .dll or .exe files

  • The file code should be open-source and recent. A link to a publicly accessible repository must be provided.

For Modules (DLLs). You can very easily use a tool like DnSpy in order to see the code if it is written in dotnet & look at what it is doing. 85% of the users don’t use the source anyways. You simply cannot hide anything from the decompiler, If someone were to put malicious code into their game files it would be detected by the mods & Staff. If a mod developer wants to be introduced to modding. The site has enough tutorials for them to read over & can easily take apart mods with DnSpy if they would really like to see the code.

Overall this should 100% be a choice for mod developers as it is their right to withdraw access to their source code. As the only people who should be within the right to access it other than the owner is the staff members to verify it’s legitimacy & overall safety if and when they have that concern.

A good example of why this should be in place. Is because I as well as other modders get spammed when users try to change / update / compile their mods by people who simply lack the knowledge to do so themselves. As much as I want people to make mods for SPT & get into the toolset while also learning valuable skills for life. Going through someone elses code & doing the above mentioned is simply not the way to go about it. And unfortunately the hub encourages this behaviour. As for executable files I will agree that they should have open source code as they are not easily decompiled. IDA is simply not for everybody. Although I will agree 100% that mods should not be obfuscated.

  • Content that may be generally construed as provocative, divisive, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive toward any real-world individual or group, may be subject to moderation. This includes but is not limited to content involving politics, race, religion, gender identity, sexuality, or social class.

    Simply put. The entire game is based around 2 countries hiring mercenary groups to fight each other. Politics are simply baked into the very fabric of the game. We are all adults and to be able to not have a breakdown or get “triggered” when seeing something we do not like & or dis-agree with. Which unfortunately many people cannot seem to control themselves when it comes to this. The staff turn a blind-eye to this unless you / the mod simply don’t fit into their agenda (more on this later). Everything crossed out makes sense and is fine. Here are some examples of this rule being broken without staff intervening after warnings. (side note. Literally anything with a country flag or any sort of patch that goes to literally any branch of any military can be deemed political.)

    Ukraine MM14 Clothing Port

  • Only use English for communicating on the website.

    This is discriminatory to other nations & people who simply do not understand english. DeepL exists as well as a plethora of other translators. I’ve communicated with many Russian & Chinese members of the community within their language, They simply shouldn’t be blocked out of commenting on posts because of their language barrier.

    Lastly but DEFINITELY not least. The way they over-police their discord. They have removed many people included a bunch of talented modders (RockaHorse, The Developer of Goblin King is a good example) over personal beliefs, memes & or anything they dis-agree with that is in the users Discord About Me Section & Or in their Pronouns field. This incredibly dis-respectful as they are trying to police your own discord account over another persons beliefs or feelings. Its Un-Ethical & Tyranical. Instead, They should be encouraging users to block the person that they dis-agree with / do not like. Heres a great example of this.

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    In general. I simply do not care whether you are gay. Or trans. Or whatever else you may be. Myself & Many others within the community simply don’t care about who you identify as & what you are. All we care about at the end of the day is if you make cool mods for SPT. Gender ideologies & Gender Politics really have no place here in this community. it doesn’t matter who / what you are and how you identify. It matters what you can do if / how you can improve other peoples experiences in any way possible. By either helping them install SPT, Helping them install mods. Or even helping them make a mod. Thats all the focus should be in this community & in this project.

    Side note. For awhile the staff had a weird thing going on with a “boykisser” role to where they would flirt with people. Now while I’d like to agree on its a joke. Staff have an obligation to be professional within the confines of their environment they moderate & manage. Many people have pointed out that it was weird of them to do that. In general it was un-professional & a possible violation to Discord ToS. >>“Do not solicit sexual content from or engage in any sexual conduct (“grooming”) with anyone under the age of 18.“<<. As there was seemingly no effort made to verify that the users they were flirting with were under the age of 18.

    Overall I want to see this project thrive & keep being successful. But with the repeat negative actions the management keeps taking. As well as the rules in place restricting modders creativity & freedom. I simply cannot support the project anymore.

    The Management of this project needs serious reform / reconstruction. As overall the Management has lost its way & has forgot what SPT is actually about. The developers do amazing work though, Dont ever forget them.💚

    Instead I will be moving over to NexusMods and posting all of my mods & future content there. As well as working on Official SPT integration into Vortex / NMM.

    If there is major reform & change to the Managment & Rules. I will probably come back.

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Bandetto

Bye, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

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Hi, I’d like to take the time to respond to your feedback about the SPT-AKI server and community. You raise several points and for clarity’s sake, it’s only fair they’re responded to!

Don’t ask for money for services you provide (i.e. creating / distributing mods, selling in-game roubles) or promote such acts or platforms.

The purpose of this rule is to avoid complicated legal moderation due to scammers and such. If a person goes through a valid website, such as Ko-fi, Patreon, or Gumroad, the buyer/commissioner is protected and their money is secure. If contracts are formed over our Discord channels, issues can always arise where it falls upon staff to moderate monetary (and thus, much more severe) transactions.

There has never been an issue with having links to social medias, mentioning modding commissions in bios, etc. I, myself, have done it since the start of my joining in the new AKI discord and had it cleared with moderators. While I understand your point, we want it to go through the proper channels rather than people begging/offering and getting scammed in our server.

The file code should be open-source and recent. A link to a publicly accessible repository must be provided.

Correct. This is what establishes a level of trust between developer and user. The entire SPT-AKI project is open source, and therefore, all modules that extend upon it must respect the open-source nature of the project.

Correct as well - programs like DNSpy and services can scan for malware, but as we’ve seen many times, there are false positives as well as false negatives. Having the source code available means the casual user need not worry about the nitty-gritty. It means staff has already vetted it before harm could be done, and those with the know-how can easily verify it without needing to disassemble it.

This is a rule you’ve demonstrably broken several times over, the only user that has had any qualms about the ethics of this rule.

Content that may be generally construed as provocative, divisive, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive toward any real-world individual or group, may be subject to moderation. This includes but is not limited to content involving politics, race, religion, gender identity, sexuality, or social class.

Correct. As you are moving to the Nexus, I presume you are aware of their similar rules. I believe you are also aware of the setting regarding the game, while featuring real-world political implications, there actually are no incentives to discriminate against either mercenary group. It’s a story about two PMCs who have both been left in a no man’s zone and must survive by any means necessary - the politics of former employers are a gray area.

I believe you will find most modding websites to have similar rules. While you may not live in an area that is affected by certain social and political issues, others do. The more people feel welcome, the more minds we have working hard at content creation for the project that keeps it alive for all of us. Nobody likes to feel like they’re unwanted.

Only use English for communicating on the website.

Again, very simple - we cannot moderate languages we do not understand. While the Chinese SPT community has formed their own website (which we are happily partners with and on good terms), I believe you’ll also find this rule in many other servers and websites. If we had enough staff and moderators fluent in other languages, perhaps other channels could be opened up, much like the official Escape From Tarkov discord, but we don’t at this time.

As there was seemingly no effort made to verify that the users they were flirting with were under the age of 18.

False, and multiple users so far have been banned for doing such. There is extremely strict no-tolerance for any form of advancement for anyone of either dubious or confirmed-underage users. This is something every one of us takes extremely seriously. We have the logs to prove it.

Speaking of logs.

In general. I simply do not care whether you are gay. Or trans. Or whatever else you may be. Myself & Many others within the community simply don’t care about who you identify as & what you are.

I’d like to agree, but reports coming from your own personal community beg to differ.

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Just a small sample of the 10+ reports we’ve received asking to ban you for your attitude.

But we didn’t, because so long as someone behaves and is a helpful member of our community within our community, we don’t police it.

That would be being unfair.

So if that’s the kind of community you feel fosters a better work environment for teaching a new generation of modders, you are more than welcome to keep on keepin’ on and do what you’d wish.

Thank you for your dedication to SPT-AKI and your work on making our modding community even stronger! Your video tutorial ages ago on rigging for Unity as well as your SDK are proof positive that you are wonderfully talented and enthusiastic about this project. As someone who enjoyed our chats and talking about modding, I’m genuinely sad to see this is how you’d like to take your leave, but we’ll always be here should you wish to rejoin our community.

Take care. Seriously.

-Rai

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Tyrian

This isn’t a train station my guy, you don’t need to declare your departure.

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Jehree

Politics:

You are allowed to upload clothing from any country you would like. You could make a clothing mod with the Russian flag on a patch. That isn’t inherently political. What you’re not allowed to do is upload a mod that adds patches that directly identify a terrorist group like you intended to do. It should be obvious why this is the case, the staff want the community to be welcoming to people from all over and not alienate anyone who may have been affected by a bad actor group, etc.

Conduct:

Being racist or transphobic/ homophobic, etc. is against Discord guidelines. RockaHorse literally linked to an anti-LGBT group in his bio (Gays Against Groomers). You will be hard pressed to find any large community without rules against hate speech or political discussion. That is not abnormal.

Calling any of this “Tyranical” demonstrates your lack of understanding of how rights work. The managers of the community get to decide what the standards of conduct are that the members will be held to. That is basic rights 101 “no shirt no shoes no service” logic. A community can kick you out for being an ass, their right to do so overrides your right to be an ass.

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As a moderator of a discord server and modding group who had to remove you, just go homie. We don’t need your clear whinge for the ability to discriminate who you want to, and not be disciplined for it. You want to be political, but think the political content should be moderated, and want to be able to discriminate and abuse everybody else?

This whole post boils down to “I want to get paid, and I want people to stop hating on me, but I want to hate on others.”

Not to mention this ugly display.

Enjoy your departure.

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clodan

lol cya!

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SSH_

Mods with politics you don’t agree with = 😱
Posting photos of yourself in chastity within a discord where there are children? = 😊

Yeah I’m absolutely not forgetting that Colette. You absolutely have 0 right to talk as your a borderline pedophile.

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Tyrian

The whole discord is age restricted and people are hand-picked with no public invite. Try again.

Nice rebuttal btw, all that and you’ve only got us two sentences to reply with? And you go for such a weak attempt too, no proof. Stop talking out your ass, have some dignity, take the L And leave.

And as others have said, you just make yourself look worse for not ‘reporting’ it if it even were remotely true.

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Someone’s projecting.

In our own private discord server, in a 18+ only channel, markedly labeled as NSFW and 18+ only and is age-restricted by Discord.

Besides, why would you NOT say something if that had actually happened? To literally anybody? If there’s an underage person in a 18+ only channel that I’m not aware of, you need to alert the admins homie.

That or you’re making stuff up to call trans people pedophiles, per your usual trans/homophobia. Or even worse, you let that happen, held onto it, just to have dirt on somebody. Ain’t a good look.

Try again when you can actually refute something bub.

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svbtext

Oh, what a truly heartbreaking announcement! I mean, who wouldn’t be devastated to hear about your decision to part ways with the SPT-Hub? It’s clearly a loss of monumental proportions for the community, and the tears are just flowing down my cheeks as I type this.

It’s truly awe-inspiring how you’ve managed to suffer through the agony of the SPT staff’s “blatant misconduct” and their dastardly actions. I can only imagine the sleepless nights and torment you’ve endured due to their heinous deeds that, no doubt, rival the plot twists of a Shakespearean tragedy.

And oh, those arbitrary rules that restrict the creativity and freedom of mod developers! How dare anyone attempt to maintain a semblance of order and structure in a community? Clearly, rules are an abomination and should never be imposed on individuals with their boundless genius.

I applaud your courage in taking a stand and deciding to move to NexusMods, where, undoubtedly, the grass is greener, the rules are nonexistent, and the management is a beacon of righteousness. I can already see the rays of pure, unadulterated freedom shining down upon you as you make this transition. It’s like a liberation movement for modding enthusiasts.

Of course, the idea of returning to SPT-Hub should they undergo “major reform and change” is just the cherry on top. I can only imagine the bated breath with which the SPT team must be waiting for your potential return, a return that would surely bring about an era of utopian management and rulemaking.

Thank you, kind sir or madam, for gracing us with this truly tragic tale of your departure. The modding world will never be the same without your irreplaceable contributions.

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Jehree

If you know about an underaged user in our discord with access to an NSFW channel and you haven’t reported it that’s fucked up man. Please DM me proof if you do so I can handle it.

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svbtext

Even if we pretend that’s a real thing that happened, I feel like saying “I saw a minor in an NSFW channel, but stayed quiet and didn’t do anything about it because i wanted dirt on someone I don’t like” doesn’t exactly make you look like the most righteous person who truly cares about the safety of minors online.

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JustNU

bro is really trying hard

im happy you’re going away, you’ve been an issue ever since you joined
you can take your racism, transphobia and homophobia somewhere else, im not gonna cry over it

also calling trans people pedos, classic
i wonder what group of people does that…

i also find it funny that you brought up RockaHorse as an example of a banned modder, seeing as he had a link to active alt-right anti-lgbt+ organization on his bio, im fairly certain that alone could fall under discord’s TOS as a hate speech

and the fact that you’re not trying to deny any of what all of us said here, almost like its true and you know it, hmmmmm…

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SSH_

The purpose of this rule is to avoid complicated legal moderation due to scammers and such. If a person goes through a valid website, such as Ko-fi, Patreon, or Gumroad, the buyer/commissioner is protected and their money is secure. If contracts are formed over our Discord channels, issues can always arise where it falls upon staff to moderate monetary (and thus, much more severe) transactions.

There has never been an issue with having links to social medias, mentioning modding commissions in bios, etc. I, myself, have done it since the start of my joining in the new AKI discord and had it cleared with moderators. While I understand your point, we want it to go through the proper channels rather than people begging/offering and getting scammed in our server.

Then re-construct the rule. Only allow commissions through pages like Ko-fi & Gumroad. As all of those have buyers protection. As I’ve said in the post. This allows users to support modders while also getting something in return. Which will in-turn encourage modders to make more mods.

Correct. This is what establishes a level of trust between developer and user. The entire SPT-AKI project is open source.

Thats fine. SPT can be open source. But if I choose for my mod not to be then that is simply my choice, The only people are obligated to have access to my source code is both the Staff team and Developers of SPT. It would be much easier to instead have a green checkmark with text next to it that goes along the lines of “this mod has been manually integrity checked & verified by staff”. At the end of the day its the authors mod. So they should be able to choose whether their source is publicly available or not.

while featuring real-world political implications, there actually are no incentives to discriminate against either mercenary group.

This is incorrect. As not only will PMC karma be introduced which will encourage you to discriminate against the other faction in order to level up that karma. But as well as there are many quests that encourage you to discriminate against factions. “Operation Aquarius Pt. 2”, “Friend From The West” & “Counter-Action” are just a few that come to mind. The entire scenery, lore & general aspect of the game is absolutely slathered in politics. Its just a simple fact. As long as the user isn’t throwing swastikas around and the mod is tasteful (i.e Historically accurate) then it doesnt matter. If people have issues with a mod then they can simply ignore it.

Again, very simple - we cannot moderate languages we do not understand. While the Chinese SPT community has formed their own website (which we are happily partners with and on good terms), I believe you’ll also find this rule in many other servers and websites. If we had enough staff and moderators fluent in other languages, perhaps other channels could be opened up, much like the official Escape From Tarkov discord, but we don’t at this time.

It seems as if you missed the point entirely on this. There are more translators that are as accurate as ever. I cant count them on my fingers thats how many there are. You should always strive for more members.

False, and multiple users so far have been banned for doing such. There is extremely strict no-tolerance for any form of advancement for anyone of either dubious or confirmed-underage users. This is something every one of us takes extremely seriously. We have the logs to prove it.

And thats very good. On a surface level it looked VERY bad and many people had pointed this out. Which is why I can assume the femboy and boykisser role were renamed to legacy pink & orange. But the way staff interacts with the community openly & publicly should be much more professional like yourself.

I’d like to agree, but reports coming from your own personal community beg to differ. Just a small sample of the 10+ reports we’ve received asking to ban you for your attitude.

But we didn’t, because so long as someone behaves and is a helpful member of our community within our community, we don’t police it.

That would be being unfair.

So if that’s the kind of community you feel fosters a better work environment for teaching a new generation of modders, you are more than welcome to keep on keepin’ on and do what you’d wish.

The user you had blurred out within my community is one of my staff members. This was a conversation about transgenderism & homosexuality that ended up turning into a meme. There was another user in that discord as well who was genuniely schizo ranting and said the nword which had got him banned from my discord.

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While I will 100% always disagree with transgenderism & homosexuality as I am muslim, And in general its not something I will ever believe in. I will still tolerate & respect the people that are apart of those communities. That user mentioned above is gay and we can laugh at each other. Same as the trans members within my community as we can literally make fun of each other for race, religion, identity etc and still be able to laugh. Its simply called knowing when to be serious vs when to have fun and dick around. (which many people have forgotten how to do in 2023).

The only time I could see myself coming back is if the above mention rules are changed. As those rules in specific really do hurt the modding community as a whole. As there are many projects like WTT, or ETFS. As well as some members in the community who simply dont want public source as even they agree that it doesn’t serve a net positive. I’ve enjoyed the conversations I’ve had with you and as you know Im always willing to help you with anything SDK related. As you were originally one of the first people I had given it to before its release to try it out. But until then I will keep growing a presence on NexusMods & promoting that site instead. As the rules & the structure is much better. And in general there are more incentives to use NexusMods than there are the hub currently.

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SSH_

Someone’s projecting.

In our own private discord server, in a 18+ only channel, markedly labeled as NSFW and 18+ only and is age-restricted by Discord.

Besides, sounds like you were browsing enjoying the show to remember it off the top of your head from a server you’re banned off.

Try again when you can actually refute something bub.

This wasn’t in your discord aka “r/sshHateClub” (yes its getting that name because how many times I see my name in that discord a day. I must have a penthouse in your head rent free.) This was way before your discord. They had to nuke the channel because of you. Your discord is essentially an echo chamber / safe space for peoples feelings so I wouldn’t be surprised if you have another channel you post yourself in chastity in.

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SSH_

The whole discord is age restricted and people are hand-picked with no public invite. Try again.

Nice rebuttal btw, all that and you’ve only got us two sentences to reply with? And you go for such a weak attempt too. Stop talking out your ass, have some dignity, take the L And leave.

You know. You talked alot different when you were in my dms begging for help. You went from being an accquaintance / someone I’d call a friend who makes cool stuff. To someone who talks bad about me more than they realistically should (I may have some beach property in ur head) who makes cool stuff. Just seems as if your two faced but I’m not terribly surprised.

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Begging? Bro you offered to make me a trader after I said my mod for another group wasn’t really going anywhere as they hadn’t updated.

And their NSFW channel was disabled because they wanted to open the server to more outside members. I literally have the message stating such a fact, and yknow, still a mod there, I can still see every change that was made to that channel, bud.

Gee, it’s almost like not a soul likes you, and that’s why everyone talks shit about you here, the SPT discord, and our own server. You’re racist, homophobic, transphobic, and more than worthy of the dislike people give you. You’ve been caught in the SPT voice chat saying slurs multiple times, we have plenty of receipts of similar language.

You aren’t gonna gain any sympathy from anybody, everyone knows you’re just an asshole.

And gee, it’s almost like my personal server that has my friends in it is close-knit with people who have similar view points. You dislike 80% of us by our gender, race, or otherwise anyways, so what do you care what I post?

You think I’m embarrassed? Bitch please, I’m happy and proud of my body and I’m posting it in an NSFW channel…. Meant for NSFW pictures. Are you just upset I was in chastity? Are you jealous or something?

Try again.

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Tyrian

You know. You talked alot different when you were in my dms begging for help. You went from being an accquaintance / someone I’d call a friend who makes cool stuff. To someone who talks bad about me more than they realistically should (I may have some beach property in ur head) who makes cool stuff. Just seems as if your two faced but I’m not terribly surprised.

Literally never begged for help off of you in my life. You have a really weird sense of what ‘begging’ actually means huh? In fact, I helped you with your own SDK when you were having issues with it. So I genuinely don’t know where you got ‘begged’ for from.

Not only then, but I’ve helped other people with their SDK issues where you would never help them.

Also, back then, I didn’t realise how much of a hypocritical bigot you were as this took place welllll before the real you started to show itself more and more.

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JustNU

Then re-construct the rule. Only allow commissions through pages like Ko-fi & Gumroad. As all of those have buyers protection. As I’ve said in the post. This allows users to support modders while also getting something in return. Which will in-turn encourage modders to make more mods.

You can already support modder monetary, you just need to clear it with staff first, this has always been the case and you yourself has done so

Thats fine. SPT can be open source. But if I choose for my mod not to be then that is simply my choice, The only people are obligated to have access to my source code is both the Staff team and Developers of SPT. It would be much easier to instead have a green checkmark with text next to it that goes along the lines of “this mod has been manually integrity checked & verified by staff”. At the end of the day its the authors mod. So they should be able to choose whether their source is publicly available or not.

And those rules are SPT staff’s choice, feel free to move your mods somewhere else

Your inability to upkeep that rule is very troubling, and makes me suspicious of your intentions

This is incorrect. As not only will PMC karma be introduced which will encourage you to discriminate against the other faction in order to level up that karma. But as well as there are many quests that encourage you to discriminate against factions. “Operation Aquarius Pt. 2”, “Friend From The West” & “Counter-Action” are just a few that come to mind. The entire scenery, lore & general aspect of the game is absolutely slathered in politics. Its just a simple fact. As long as the user isn’t throwing swastikas around and the mod is tasteful (i.e Historically accurate) then it doesnt matter. If people have issues with a mod then they can simply ignore it.

Tarkov is a fictional game, with fictional character, fictional PMC organizations, set in a fictional Russian city

What part of it says that this game “slathered in politics”? You don’t need to answer it, its a rhetorical question

It seems as if you missed the point entirely on this. There are more translators that are as accurate as ever. I cant count them on my fingers thats how many there are. You should always strive for more members.

seems like you’ve missed the point
there’s not enough bilingual staff members to moderate those chats, you know I’m a Russian myself and I see nothing wrong with this rule as it only makes sense, a lot of other communities also have a rule like this

And thats very good. On a surface level it looked VERY bad and many people had pointed this out. Which is why I can assume the femboy and boykisser role were renamed to legacy pink & orange. But the way staff interacts with the community openly & publicly should be much more professional like yourself.

Feel free to report any and every situation like that, staff has dealt with those issue before, none reported from you

Femboy and boykisser roles were removed because they were too silly and out of place

Staff are people too, they can be professional when they need to (And they do so regularly)

The user you had blurred out within my community is one of my staff members. This was a conversation about transgenderism & homosexuality that ended up turning into a meme. There was another user in that discord as well who was genuniely schizo ranting and said the nword which had got him banned from my discord

Good old “its just a prank”

You have been spotted acting homophobic, racist and transphobic in other situations too, not just this one, you have a history of doing so

You have harassed multiple people in the discord server, including based on nationality

I have seen picture of you saying the nword yourself, from your discord server, but im not posting it for obvious reasons

Again, its very funny seeing you mention such groups as WTT that were forced to move from your server after you kept deleting their mod channels.

While I will 100% always disagree with transgenderism & homosexuality as I am muslim, And in general its not something I will ever believe in.

Do I even need to comment on this?

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Then re-construct the rule. Only allow commissions through pages like Ko-fi & Gumroad. As all of those have buyers protection. As I’ve said in the post. This allows users to support modders while also getting something in return. Which will in-turn encourage modders to make more mods.

To be fair, you can understand that any level of monetary gain can attract unwanted attention in what is essentially a legal gray area (emulation). That was the initial reason behind the rule as I understand it. That being said, like I said, nothing is stopping anyone from actually commissioning anyone, reaching out to their DMs, or clicking a link in a bio. The rule can be reworded I’m sure (it’s not only my decision) but ultimately the actual “rule” itself would be the same - advertising and requesting openly on the server isn’t the kind of heat or the kind of moderation we want to be involved in.

EDIT: Senko understands the origin a million times more than I do.

Thats fine. SPT can be open source. But if I choose for my mod not to be then that is simply my choice, The only people are obligated to have access to my source code is both the Staff team and Developers of SPT. It would be much easier to instead have a green checkmark with text next to it that goes along the lines of “this mod has been manually integrity checked & verified by staff”. At the end of the day its the authors mod. So they should be able to choose whether their source is publicly available or not.

Exactly, and that is entirely your choice. The point is, if you want to keep your mods closed source, that’s also why some projects like the ones you’ve mentioned do exist. It’s very standard practice in the emulation scene that any modifications have to respect the license of the original software being modified. Nobody’s going to sue you or ban you for that, it just means that on our own website where things are hosted, we can’t approve it. While it can be manually integrity checked, it’s just not ideal, nor can we constantly keep checking the source code to update whenever a new update is pushed (as you know, that’s something we need manual reports of - there’s just a whole lot going on day to day.)

There’s zero hate to use an alternative modding platform to release your mods, be it Nexusmods or a self-hosted service. None of that is a black mark on you, nor does it give you any flack from anyone here. It’s just against the website and server emulator’s TOS. That’s kinda the long and short of it.

This is incorrect. As not only will PMC karma be introduced which will encourage you to discriminate against the other faction in order to level up that karma. But as well as there are many quests that encourage you to discriminate against factions. “Operation Aquarius Pt. 2”, “Friend From The West” & “Counter-Action” are just a few that come to mind. The entire scenery, lore & general aspect of the game is absolutely slathered in politics. Its just a simple fact. As long as the user isn’t throwing swastikas around and the mod is tasteful (i.e Historically accurate) then it doesnt matter. If people have issues with a mod then they can simply ignore it.

Fair enough! However, given the current world politics, it’s well within the rights of the community to draw a line at things that are really affecting real people right this minute. I understand the argument of historical accuracy, especially if this game were to take place in a historical setting. The deal is, we have a lot of people who are going through something very real, very deadly, and very serious currently. Regardless of which side you stand on, it’s important to recognize that including any group in current ongoing conflicts immediately means you are including something that could, genuinely, be very upsetting to people. I don’t mean along the lines of “that hurts my feelings”, I mean people who have recently lost family members due to the ongoing conflict and so on. The setting only exacerbates this (I’m sure you might have seen the talk in EFT’s official discord, people’s posts on Reddit, the arguments on Twitter…) where people are really using this game’s fictional setting to vilify other humans on both sides.

Understand that it’s just one of those things that regardless, really should be left alone. You touch upon this later, but we do have people from many different communities and nations, and to foster a community, it’s important not to alienate.

And thats very good. On a surface level it looked VERY bad and many people had pointed this out. Which is why I can assume the femboy and boykisser role were renamed to legacy pink & orange. But the way staff interacts with the community openly & publicly should be much more professional like yourself.

I get what you mean. I talk about it all the time to the other staff and whatnot that I really don’t like to act like some kind of corporation, with these big, long disclaimers and wordy lawyer-jargon responses. I really hate it. We’re all just a bunch of nerdy human beings who are all in our 20’s and 30’s who like programming for a video game. So when people in chat shoot the shit, we just talk like we would to anyone else. I guess when it’s time to be professional, we have to take stuff seriously. Which comes off as cringey and kinda dissonant to how we really are.

It sucks. It really does. You’re either some super-strict no-fun-allowed person that everyone shuts up whenever they see you type, oooor nobody takes you seriously when someone does something really wrong.

So we try to joke around the same way someone does to us. I don’t think any of us push any of that silly stuff on people who aren’t initiating it, it’s more of just joining in on something. Still yeah. It’s a really fine line to walk. I don’t know if there’s really a right way to do it. I’ve moderated/been admin for three different emulation projects, some in the tens of thousands of users, and admittedly I still don’t know what the right thing to do is.

The user you had blurred out within my community is one of my staff members. This was a conversation about transgenderism & homosexuality that ended up turning into a meme. There was another user in that discord as well who was genuniely schizo ranting and said the nword which had got him banned from my discord.

There are several more of stuff like that which was sent to us over the last few months.

I get your context, but regardless of it being a meme or not, I mean. The words got said. Words that probably would bother a lot of the community in the AKI discord. I get that it doesn’t bother you, and it doesn’t bother the people in your discord - that’s fine. We’re not policing anyone for how they act outside of the AKI discord, and I get it. I can laugh at just about anything. The thing is, in a public forum where there are thousands of people, there are just some lines that need to be drawn. Not everyone is going to be cool with some random dude using language like that. It’s going to put people off, and it does the opposite of building a community of people who want to work together, learn together, and become friends. Some people are okay with joking with friends, but we’re also talking about a large server of complete strangers from all walks of life, with their own problems, their own experiences, and their own lives. If the answer to that is, “fuck it, they should just grow thicker skin to be on the internet”, I just don’t see your ideals lining up with that of the hub and the AKI discord.

If you want to create a server that’s a space for people who are all in on it, cool with strong language or slurs, nobody’s stopping you. You have the right to do that. You just need to also realize that there are going to be inevitable consequences, people will judge you by the company you keep, the words you speak behind closed doors, and it’s going to get you shunned. While I said before, we ignored the reports of your behavior from other servers, we can’t stop others from feeling the way they do.

Hence why this thread is kinda turning into a bit of a shitshow with some strong feelings.

While it’s a shame to see you go, it just doesn’t sound like the TOS of the hub and AKI discord are in line with your own, so perhaps moving on is just for the best. I don’t know how other staff feel about any of it, can’t really control what they do or say or feel, but you just do what works best for you man.

EDIT: Oop, missed this paragraph.

It seems as if you missed the point entirely on this. There are more translators that are as accurate as ever. I cant count them on my fingers thats how many there are. You should always strive for more members.

Yeah, there’s a ton of people capable of translating, but you get that having people monitor chat for each language as moderators is whole other story. It can get stressful as hell and even just us as English-speakers, we’re barely covering the 24-hour day with all of us. Factor in stuff that takes more than one staff member to figure out what to do, and we’re just not in a place for it.

If we get enough native speakers of a language to step up and have round-the-clock moderation for the language, for sure. As it stands, there are other communities that we’re on good terms with that kind of just handle things on their own, working together as necessary.

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bro was too much of a gigachad (or something idk im not a homophobe)

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NorokVokun

Oh boo hoo.

“Don’t ask for money”… yeah PureDark recently got shunned for paywalling a superior version of his upscaler mod and DRMing it with denuvo, and then when it waws swiftly cracked, threatened to add hidden landmines in future versions.
Donations are always possible, and this rule does not forbid unsolicited donations.

“code should be open-source” yeah, it should be, cause then EVERYONE, no matter if they use any sort of unnecessary tool or not, can see that your mod dll files are clean. If you have nothing to hide, you literally have zero reason to be against this. smells fishy here…

“politics stuff” oh yeah sure, let’s allow all sorts of political agenda and propaganda, no matter how radical (or in some places literally illegal on a federal level), i mean there’s already two factions plus scavs at war… that’s political too, blah blah blah /s [not even gonna bother with not being sarcastic here, cause the reasoning should be blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain] this whole argument is equally absurd on your side, as complaining why the stalker devs propably do not allow modifications to their games that include antisemitic, or otherwise hateful political content, despite the whole inter-faction politics being a semi big deal in the stalker universe.

“only english” this is literally a standard thing. folks that do not themselves speak english can use translators or have others translate manually for them. the mdoeration aare english speaking folks, so that’S the modus operandi, to make moderating easier.

“Discord” oh how dare a private group use their Domiciliary rights (might be the wrong specific term… point should come across) within the law to keep their private place a civilized place within their own desires, like anyone that invites guests into their irl home has the right to do aswell. Cencorship is not a thing in private places. the US freedom of speech amendment only covers the government forbiding speach, not anyone else…

TLDR: Grow the hell up.

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box

rip bozo.

why do the most toxic, waste-of-oxygen people whine the most?

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TaintedSlav

Heard of your departure, have read the post through and through.
I support your decision to move on, there.
Commercializing your work is not a crime, indeed. I know that from personal experience since I’ve been a part of the Doom community that have made it possible for modifications of the game to go full standalone and commercial. Every hard work should be supported with a coin, at least a little.

And I do agree that policing who have what in their bios is moronic.

So tired of the wokism rot touching everything I like. Sigh…

Best of luck SSH. You’ve made a lot of cool shit, keep it comin’, I’ll watch for more stuff from ya.

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Colkillervin

i guess he moved to fika since spt mods on nexus is gone now

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7.62x39Enjoyer

Idk if you will ever read this (as you’re banned) but here’s my opinion as a outsider.
If anything, im curious what others think on my opinion on this dumpster fire.

The way you’re so against open source mods is actually worrying. Only logical reason that i can see, except blatantly dousing malware inside your mods, is other users stealing your work and then re - distributing it. That does pose a piracy problem if you want to sell mods, but you can always compromise. Especially since the game is always required to have a internet connection to run. Perhaps licensed mod copies could have their own IDs stored somewhere, and the system checks for that ID once in a while.

However, my personal opinion on paid mods is negative. As a person that LOVES games with good modding scenes, for me, modding never was about gatekeeping content behind a pay wall.
Modding is about freedom of expression and community self sustainment. There are other ways to make money. Especially with this talent.

Now, on politics. No. Tarkov is not, and never was “riddled with politics”. Its fully fictional. If you think it is political, you are mistaken, and very wrong. If there’s any message that the game, lore, movie are trying to tell you, it’s certainly not a negative one. PMCs are humanized (for having to rely on themselves to get out of Tarkov) , governments, higher ups, et cetera, are dehumanized (for leaving the PMCs behind). There is also no narrative that makes one mercenary company look better than the other. Its really simple.

As of the “terrorist organization mod”. My stand on this, is that NO mod on the site should reference the current conflict in Europe whatsoever. In my opinion this is the most, and only humane way to resolve this political view issue. Every person that found themselves directly involved in this conflict, suffered. In one way or another. No matter the side you’re on.

And lastly, one of the takes i actually liked, is the one on religion and wokism. You, despite not supporting LGBT for religious reasons, still decide to tolerate it, yet people still found ways to get offended by this. Like, guys, it ain’t that deep. I don’t like Islam whatsoever, but you are literally one of the most reasonable Muslims i ever encountered. Bravo

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HiddenCirno

Enthusiasm has its limits but Tarkov don’t

so sad to hear that, wish you luck my friend

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Deimos_is_Smoking

so based so sigma

go smash everyone on nexus

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fawlesstr

My friend, you always talk about being up to date and say that you do not support old versions, but when we ask a question for 3.7.0, you do not answer, we want a tarky menu.

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SiulSC

there will not be support for his mods here

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So where can I reach and ask?

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SiulSC

He will most likely make a statement

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I’m not on Discord and can’t log in. I hope you can make the announcement here. Is there another place where I can follow it?

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fawlesstr

hey dude When will tarky menu be updated for 3.7.0

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SSH_

its on NexusMods

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Is there a link? How can I find it?

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DemonHunter58

Hey SSH_, I love your mods man, I was just wondering about your USEC commander and what his spawn chance and locations are. I noticed that the comments aren’t available on the mod itself so that’s why I’m here. Sorry to be a bother.

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He can spawn anywhere. (i.e any bot zone, so multiple sections of each map.) As well as he has a 1% spawn chance. He will spawn with 4 rogues & will be very accurate. Its best to either target his head or legs. Everything else is armoured.

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Damn, so it’s damn near impossible to find him, guess I’ll just have to up the spawn chance.

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If you want. U can open the mod.ts & change the chance.

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Shaolindragon5

Hello, I just installed this mod last night and the blood and what not is working but any time a body part is blown off its just a bloody triangle Im not sure what is wrong but any ideas to fix it would help.

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Deimos_is_Smoking

SSH_ I gotta say some of your reviews are pretty based, if we removed these anime mods (and some that are ported from the chinese version of this site) and all these redundant mods that clutter the workshop we would get the old days back, when it was Kobra and SamSWAT roasting each other about that one leopold red dot.

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If people would just simply learn how to make higher quality mods & take the time to learn the craft. There wouldn’t be so much slop on the hub. The community can simply just do better. After all I’m always available if people need taught as I host teaching groups as well as show people new ways they can access & interact with the game.

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when and where lol i’m down

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